1 00:00:49,319 --> 00:00:21,560 [Music] 2 00:00:55,509 --> 00:00:52,990 hello this is Ronald cansada and you're 3 00:00:58,299 --> 00:00:55,519 listening to the paranormal UK radio 4 00:01:00,069 --> 00:00:58,309 network the UK's biggest paranormal 5 00:01:02,860 --> 00:01:00,079 Network and this is paranormal 6 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:02,870 dimensions with David Young hello 7 00:01:07,570 --> 00:01:05,320 welcome and thank you for that Ronaldo 8 00:01:09,249 --> 00:01:07,580 right there cool 9 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:09,259 the call-outs for this show are going to 10 00:01:15,460 --> 00:01:13,250 Kate O'Connor Glasgow Scotland UK Bruce 11 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:15,470 Maguire Los Angeles California and 12 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:19,369 Curtis Sanders of Hutchinson Kansas hope 13 00:01:22,270 --> 00:01:20,450 you're all going to be with the listing 14 00:01:24,820 --> 00:01:22,280 city which I'm feel is going to be 15 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:24,830 another fantastic interesting show 16 00:01:29,950 --> 00:01:27,710 because we've got a fantastic guest dr. 17 00:01:33,070 --> 00:01:29,960 arena Scott who I'm gonna induce the 18 00:01:34,749 --> 00:01:33,080 introducing just a a second or so she's 19 00:01:38,109 --> 00:01:34,759 got a brilliant book out called sacred 20 00:01:41,710 --> 00:01:38,119 sacred corn dog corridors excuse me 21 00:01:43,660 --> 00:01:41,720 and I'm sort of about um I just started 22 00:01:46,210 --> 00:01:43,670 reading it to be honest but it's really 23 00:01:48,340 --> 00:01:46,220 fascinating all about cover-ups and 24 00:01:51,550 --> 00:01:48,350 etcetera but hopefully we'll get to 25 00:01:53,709 --> 00:01:51,560 arena to tell us a lot more about it so 26 00:01:58,300 --> 00:01:53,719 with no further ado I'll introduce you 27 00:02:00,670 --> 00:01:58,310 to arena Scott hello arena welcome to 28 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:00,680 the show and um I hope your will and 29 00:02:08,050 --> 00:02:06,770 everything as we go I mean I don't know 30 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:08,060 how you would like to start the show 31 00:02:13,860 --> 00:02:10,670 actually like to tell us how you got 32 00:02:19,660 --> 00:02:13,870 into were these the subjects of UFOs 33 00:02:23,259 --> 00:02:19,670 your interest began my years began when 34 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:23,269 I was a very small child and my sister 35 00:02:33,250 --> 00:02:26,810 and I had something flying around their 36 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:33,260 room it was pretty weird and we didn't 37 00:02:37,660 --> 00:02:35,209 we never heard even heard of UFOs at 38 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:37,670 that time it was many many years before 39 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:40,970 I found out it was probably something to 40 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:45,650 do with UFOs but I was in the closet for 41 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:48,170 a very long time and came out as an 42 00:02:56,130 --> 00:02:53,450 investigator years later and so then 43 00:02:58,370 --> 00:02:56,140 eventually I start talking about my own 44 00:03:02,150 --> 00:02:58,380 experiences too 45 00:03:05,180 --> 00:03:02,160 but my own observation was why I got 46 00:03:07,450 --> 00:03:05,190 into it start with right and what sort 47 00:03:10,670 --> 00:03:07,460 of age was that you a child you say 48 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:10,680 uh-huh yep because I had a very young 49 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:12,480 experience to when I was but I didn't 50 00:03:17,150 --> 00:03:14,370 realize it was of UFOs either at the 51 00:03:19,250 --> 00:03:17,160 time it's like watching a star move and 52 00:03:20,690 --> 00:03:19,260 stop and move but I was just thinking at 53 00:03:22,820 --> 00:03:20,700 the time it was stars moving and 54 00:03:27,130 --> 00:03:22,830 stopping Purtzer it was only later or 55 00:03:32,450 --> 00:03:30,830 yeah it's interesting you happen you'll 56 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:32,460 tell us a bit about your book you've got 57 00:03:36,410 --> 00:03:34,410 it look it's fascinating actually it's 58 00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:36,420 the secrets behind the real project 59 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:39,360 Bluebook wright-patterson Air Force Base 60 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:42,810 Roswell and memory metals and all sorts 61 00:03:49,420 --> 00:03:46,110 of other cover-ups and things where 62 00:03:56,180 --> 00:03:49,430 would you like to start tell us about it 63 00:03:58,220 --> 00:03:56,190 well I wanted to the main idea behind 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:03:58,230 the book was to show what actually went 65 00:04:05,180 --> 00:04:01,650 on in some of the legendary UFO studies 66 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:05,190 conducted by the government and my book 67 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:07,320 is named secret quarters because I 68 00:04:13,490 --> 00:04:11,490 worked in places of UFO interest such as 69 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:13,500 where portions of Project Blue Book took 70 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:16,530 place so actually did walk in these 71 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:19,650 sacred quarters where its researchers 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:22,910 had been and I talked to some directly 73 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:26,970 this is unusual because Blue Book took 74 00:04:31,190 --> 00:04:29,040 places in areas of high security such as 75 00:04:36,290 --> 00:04:31,200 wright-patterson Air Force Base in 76 00:04:39,380 --> 00:04:36,300 Battelle Memorial Institute what that 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:39,390 are secured but I've been in some of the 78 00:04:46,270 --> 00:04:41,970 buildings talk to the people that worked 79 00:04:49,730 --> 00:04:46,280 in there and worked in the same 80 00:04:52,340 --> 00:04:49,740 organizations so I have document and 81 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:52,350 some photos and things of what was 82 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:54,810 actually taking place and I also worked 83 00:05:06,400 --> 00:04:57,140 for the Defense Intelligence Agency 84 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:08,750 did you ever mix that some freedom we 85 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:11,630 lost him recently didn't we and 86 00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:16,370 the UFO commit community quite hold yeah 87 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:19,750 did certainly did because he's he's been 88 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:22,730 doing an excellent job of representing 89 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:29,810 science um I guess what most most people 90 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:34,370 have contact with his his writings in 91 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:39,050 the MUFON Journal where he discusses 92 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:42,560 UFOs in a very scientific way and also 93 00:05:46,930 --> 00:05:44,330 he's all over the place all over the 94 00:05:48,580 --> 00:05:46,940 world giving speeches and talks and 95 00:05:51,940 --> 00:05:48,590 meeting people and everything else so 96 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:51,950 that's a great loss yes one of the 97 00:06:00,190 --> 00:05:54,170 biggest losses of recent years anyway 98 00:06:01,810 --> 00:06:00,200 isn't it with Project Blue Book I don't 99 00:06:03,970 --> 00:06:01,820 think a lot of it was actually for 100 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:03,980 public consumption wasn't it to really 101 00:06:08,290 --> 00:06:05,750 cover up the real things that were going 102 00:06:10,180 --> 00:06:08,300 on you know I think the real reports 103 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:10,190 went elsewhere didn't they rather than 104 00:06:16,660 --> 00:06:14,510 project Bluebook itself yes it depended 105 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:16,670 on it kind of depended on who was the 106 00:06:21,940 --> 00:06:19,310 head of project Bluebook some of them 107 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:21,950 took a pre scientific approach to it but 108 00:06:32,140 --> 00:06:27,650 some of them were just real debunkers it 109 00:06:37,930 --> 00:06:32,150 was yes it was set up for the to collect 110 00:06:39,940 --> 00:06:37,940 information from the public and there 111 00:06:43,690 --> 00:06:39,950 were other components to it and that's 112 00:06:46,660 --> 00:06:43,700 part of what my book was about but tell 113 00:06:49,380 --> 00:06:46,670 Billy Mattel Memorial Institute did a 114 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:49,390 study that was very secret at the time 115 00:06:55,810 --> 00:06:52,910 where they analyzed the data that came 116 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:55,820 from Project Blue Book and nobody was 117 00:07:02,860 --> 00:06:58,690 ever known about it except for leakers 118 00:07:07,930 --> 00:07:02,870 and I had a lot of documents and stuff 119 00:07:09,550 --> 00:07:07,940 from that in my book because dr. on it 120 00:07:11,830 --> 00:07:09,560 hi Nick himself started off as a 121 00:07:19,420 --> 00:07:11,840 disbeliever didn't he and turned into a 122 00:07:21,219 --> 00:07:19,430 believer he was seeing and which I find 123 00:07:24,159 --> 00:07:21,229 quite a fascinating thing to actually 124 00:07:27,170 --> 00:07:24,169 become a believer after being set up to 125 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:27,180 sort of debunk 126 00:07:33,390 --> 00:07:30,820 yes I was very lucky because I was able 127 00:07:36,740 --> 00:07:33,400 to get some of his personal handwritten 128 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:36,750 letters in my book hmm most of his 129 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:40,600 communications have been like in 130 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:43,270 journals and magazines and things where 131 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:45,010 it's edited and everything I just have 132 00:07:50,690 --> 00:07:49,090 his full real self contained in my book 133 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:50,700 with his real letters and he was a 134 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:53,590 really nice very interesting person and 135 00:07:58,170 --> 00:07:55,570 I think the letters show more about him 136 00:08:03,600 --> 00:07:58,180 than the formal writings and everything 137 00:08:05,460 --> 00:08:03,610 he's done yeah you've seen the the TV 138 00:08:07,530 --> 00:08:05,470 show that's all at the moment well I 139 00:08:09,590 --> 00:08:07,540 think it's just finished here the 140 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Project Blue Book it's obviously a 141 00:08:13,050 --> 00:08:11,530 fictionalized account but it's still 142 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:13,060 very interesting it makes you realize 143 00:08:23,190 --> 00:08:20,170 about the things that were going on your 144 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:23,200 beliefs with the Roswell crash do you 145 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:26,470 believe there was I myself personally I 146 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:28,270 do believe there was a crash in some 147 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:31,680 sort of a cover-up and what would your 148 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:43,440 actual something hardened concrete is 149 00:08:52,940 --> 00:08:47,410 that I found in the roswell museum 150 00:08:58,530 --> 00:08:52,950 archives a tape of radio announcer 151 00:09:04,440 --> 00:08:58,540 Wilson who was announcing on the radio 152 00:09:07,310 --> 00:09:04,450 in Roswell that the that a airplane was 153 00:09:11,010 --> 00:09:07,320 carrying debris from the Roswell crash 154 00:09:12,660 --> 00:09:11,020 to wright-patterson and what was really 155 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:12,670 interesting about it was as he quit 156 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:14,080 right in the middle and he said well I 157 00:09:18,030 --> 00:09:16,300 just called wright-patterson and they 158 00:09:19,830 --> 00:09:18,040 said the airplane is on the way so 159 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:19,840 that's pretty good confirmation that 160 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:23,890 something was sent from Roswell after 161 00:09:27,810 --> 00:09:26,050 that whatever happened to 162 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:27,820 wright-patterson I think that would be 163 00:09:32,850 --> 00:09:30,130 cold hard data or smoking guns or 164 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:32,860 something yes I believe there were 165 00:09:38,770 --> 00:09:36,970 bodies some recovered as well there's 166 00:09:41,380 --> 00:09:38,780 stories about that and 167 00:09:46,450 --> 00:09:41,390 I don't know is some there's informant 168 00:09:49,390 --> 00:09:46,460 saints there were and apparently where 169 00:09:52,090 --> 00:09:49,400 they went was wright-patterson and what 170 00:09:55,090 --> 00:09:52,100 I investigated was there's a lot of 171 00:09:57,940 --> 00:09:55,100 stories by a number of people from 172 00:10:00,130 --> 00:09:57,950 informants and things about what 173 00:10:05,050 --> 00:10:00,140 happened to the bodies the possible 174 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:05,060 bodies after they got there and one part 175 00:10:14,230 --> 00:10:09,610 of that is the famous hangar 18 where 176 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:14,240 it's connected in legend to Roswell and 177 00:10:20,950 --> 00:10:17,690 I did some investigating and possibly 178 00:10:25,020 --> 00:10:20,960 found hangar 18 and took pictures of it 179 00:10:27,070 --> 00:10:25,030 and I actually balanced on in 180 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:27,080 wright-patterson take a number of 181 00:10:34,510 --> 00:10:29,930 pictures of the places of errors that 182 00:10:36,490 --> 00:10:34,520 are mentioned in the legends what were 183 00:10:39,210 --> 00:10:36,500 your feelings about that remember the 184 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:39,220 the famous alien autopsy film that so 185 00:10:46,660 --> 00:10:43,630 materialized in the in the mid-90s 186 00:10:49,270 --> 00:10:46,670 did you believe it was a real film at 187 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:49,280 the time I mean I Pete I was taking him 188 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:52,970 by it I must admit I don't think I was I 189 00:10:54,910 --> 00:10:54,560 don't think I paid too much attention to 190 00:11:01,480 --> 00:10:54,920 it 191 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:01,490 I just asked Philip man oh yeah yes but 192 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:03,680 I don't I don't think I paid too much 193 00:11:08,260 --> 00:11:05,870 attention to it because it looked like 194 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:08,270 something that anybody could actually do 195 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:11,810 inside the film and everything just 196 00:11:19,540 --> 00:11:14,650 threw some stuff together and do it so 197 00:11:21,579 --> 00:11:19,550 so I didn't really worry about but I did 198 00:11:24,250 --> 00:11:21,589 have firm spirits Belarus on on the show 199 00:11:26,710 --> 00:11:24,260 actually a few shows quite a few shows 200 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:26,720 back and he that you pay a lot of 201 00:11:32,290 --> 00:11:30,410 attention to detail about getting things 202 00:11:36,370 --> 00:11:32,300 that were actually did write soul anyone 203 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:36,380 asking questions or looking at it would 204 00:11:40,510 --> 00:11:37,970 think oh yeah well there's the right 205 00:11:44,290 --> 00:11:40,520 side if a lot of other write that book 206 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:44,300 but it's very interesting thing that did 207 00:11:49,300 --> 00:11:45,530 you know there are still people out 208 00:11:52,100 --> 00:11:49,310 there that think it's real controversy 209 00:11:53,870 --> 00:11:52,110 about it surprisingly enough 210 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:53,880 yeah just still people that believe it's 211 00:12:01,340 --> 00:11:57,510 real but there you go but yes it's 212 00:12:03,140 --> 00:12:01,350 really interesting so well from the 213 00:12:04,910 --> 00:12:03,150 Roswell think what about the reverse 214 00:12:07,070 --> 00:12:04,920 engineering what's your thoughts on that 215 00:12:09,890 --> 00:12:07,080 with all the reverse engineering do you 216 00:12:13,630 --> 00:12:09,900 believe but the philip corso story about 217 00:12:17,950 --> 00:12:13,640 some or do you believe he may have been 218 00:12:21,020 --> 00:12:17,960 led up the garden path even by people 219 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:21,030 well the trouble with all that is is 220 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:25,440 that there isn't any form of proof they 221 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:27,510 say it's secured in the government but 222 00:12:31,310 --> 00:12:29,790 you think there would be some documents 223 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:31,320 show up someplace if something that 224 00:12:37,220 --> 00:12:34,050 looked real and so I just don't know I 225 00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:37,230 don't even know if it's a joke I put it 226 00:12:41,450 --> 00:12:38,880 in my book several times about the 227 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:41,460 little green men and the proof at 228 00:12:51,290 --> 00:12:47,450 wright-patterson that UFOs exist but I 229 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:51,300 just don't know I mean I've at 230 00:12:56,180 --> 00:12:53,220 wright-patterson I've been in some of 231 00:13:04,550 --> 00:12:56,190 the top buildings like the famous Blue 232 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:09,350 it's the place Goldwater 233 00:13:15,890 --> 00:13:12,470 the presidential candidate yeah yeah 234 00:13:18,260 --> 00:13:15,900 yeah well I've actually been in the 235 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:18,270 building that has been identified as a 236 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:20,730 Blue Room and in a number of other 237 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:23,790 buildings and I think there's a good 238 00:13:29,510 --> 00:13:26,910 possibility there's crypts and vaults 239 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:29,520 under wright-patterson which people say 240 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:33,090 and people say there's debris and 241 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:37,370 everything else studied and so I I 242 00:13:42,830 --> 00:13:40,110 hadn't been in all the ones I've been in 243 00:13:46,180 --> 00:13:42,840 some of them and taking pictures of the 244 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:46,190 outside of them things like that and 245 00:13:53,810 --> 00:13:50,850 there's evidence I think of that there 246 00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:53,820 are crypts and bolts underneath that but 247 00:14:01,760 --> 00:13:55,920 I've never been inside of Krypton vault 248 00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:01,770 and so I don't know the book was very 249 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:04,560 interesting for course hos but um and I 250 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:05,770 was quite 251 00:14:09,930 --> 00:14:07,900 I'll take it in bite well not ii invite 252 00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:09,940 but i believe quite a lot of it but i've 253 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:11,680 been told since that up maybe a lot of 254 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:13,510 it's pretty exaggerated or that he was 255 00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:16,770 taken off you know taken on but it's I 256 00:14:22,950 --> 00:14:19,360 still find such a lot of it believable 257 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:22,960 but you know like you say we don't know 258 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:23,440 do we 259 00:14:27,330 --> 00:14:25,840 she were at the front name I mean he did 260 00:14:33,630 --> 00:14:27,340 have quite an important job within the 261 00:14:36,020 --> 00:14:33,640 US government so it's very hard to to 262 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:36,030 actually put a judgment on it 263 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:39,730 why just posted something on my facebook 264 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:45,280 page this morning it was a well it was 265 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:51,360 on the national TV here of Channel ABC 266 00:14:59,460 --> 00:14:55,090 Stephanopoulos actually asked President 267 00:15:03,890 --> 00:14:59,470 Trump about UFOs and they had that on 268 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:03,900 there and usually when they do that they 269 00:15:12,810 --> 00:15:09,970 ridicule it and laugh and show its UFO 270 00:15:15,330 --> 00:15:12,820 music and roll their eyes and everything 271 00:15:19,020 --> 00:15:15,340 but this was doing all seriousness he 272 00:15:22,070 --> 00:15:19,030 asked Trump about UFOs and you jumped in 273 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:22,080 than I am he said well there were 274 00:15:27,450 --> 00:15:25,750 reports from pilots and he also said he 275 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:27,460 had been briefed on it I mean obviously 276 00:15:34,110 --> 00:15:29,410 if he was under security wouldn't say 277 00:15:40,620 --> 00:15:34,120 much but that's a lot more respectable 278 00:15:42,420 --> 00:15:40,630 and what's ever I think they all right 279 00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:42,430 they seem to be treating the subject 280 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:45,040 through seriously of the last month or 281 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:47,110 so don't they maybe maybe a little bit 282 00:15:54,420 --> 00:15:50,890 longer than Iran but yeah they do seem 283 00:15:56,460 --> 00:15:54,430 to be um trying to don't on actually 284 00:15:58,860 --> 00:15:56,470 release it to the public gently so that 285 00:16:01,530 --> 00:15:58,870 people are getting into the into the 286 00:16:03,390 --> 00:16:01,540 idea that there might be a lien life out 287 00:16:04,770 --> 00:16:03,400 there watching us or flying around in 288 00:16:10,010 --> 00:16:04,780 our skies and we can't do anything about 289 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:10,020 it you know is this it it seems to be 290 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:13,000 dribbling out I do actually believe 291 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:14,710 they've released a lot of reports but 292 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:16,630 there's so much that's been released 293 00:16:19,170 --> 00:16:18,070 all those were Peaks only in this 294 00:16:21,870 --> 00:16:19,180 country they 295 00:16:23,550 --> 00:16:21,880 a lot of UFO reports but and if you 296 00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:23,560 search through it you can see some very 297 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:26,200 interesting things but it's kind of all 298 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:28,330 buried with you know everything you know 299 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:30,610 the sense of thousands of pages and 300 00:16:33,870 --> 00:16:32,470 maybe one page might have something 301 00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:33,880 written you know which is very 302 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:35,920 interesting like there's like I've said 303 00:16:39,150 --> 00:16:37,540 before it's like trying to hide up a 304 00:16:44,340 --> 00:16:39,160 tree in a wood sort of thing and you've 305 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:44,350 gotta find it firm believer in there 306 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:46,300 anyway I do think they've released a lot 307 00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:48,730 of it but so I know what your thoughts 308 00:16:58,140 --> 00:16:55,470 well I was surprised I mean I think 309 00:17:00,270 --> 00:16:58,150 that's the first time that they always 310 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:00,280 when they ever they talk about it or 311 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:01,510 something has a sighting or something 312 00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:03,810 you know it's reticule it laughs Adam oh 313 00:17:11,070 --> 00:17:09,280 yeah yeah well that seems to be the in 314 00:17:12,810 --> 00:17:11,080 thing doesn't it in the media to just 315 00:17:14,970 --> 00:17:12,820 laugh of things a certain Sonny on and 316 00:17:17,430 --> 00:17:14,980 on the news programs if the UFO comes up 317 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:17,440 it sir I was hahaha it's all family 318 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:29,320 that's how do you see your role in 319 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:31,270 ufology are you trying to pass on the 320 00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:34,980 word that there are UFOs out there and 321 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:38,940 all you just more interested in your own 322 00:17:46,980 --> 00:17:41,710 research where do you see yourself as a 323 00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:46,990 message giver well I'm trying to get 324 00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:50,980 more scientists interested into doing 325 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:53,500 UFO research because they always say 326 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:56,170 well scientists don't believe in UFOs 327 00:18:02,160 --> 00:17:58,570 and science say you don't exist yeah 328 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:02,170 well I a perfectly good background in 329 00:18:07,380 --> 00:18:03,970 science I mean I have a PhD was a 330 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:07,390 professor I'd also worked in the DIA and 331 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:10,810 a scientific profession of identifying 332 00:18:15,090 --> 00:18:13,300 aircraft but once I like photography and 333 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:15,100 things like that that are relevant and 334 00:18:23,070 --> 00:18:19,510 so my sister I had some perfectly good 335 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:23,080 UFO observations which convinces me that 336 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:26,410 something's going on and so I I'm 337 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:29,440 working in a scientific society with a 338 00:18:33,050 --> 00:18:31,720 project set up to try to hear some more 339 00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:33,060 scientists and doing 340 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:35,820 and I've also publicly published in the 341 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:37,890 scientific literature in the peer review 342 00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:40,230 literature about UFOs so it's possible 343 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:42,630 to do that and so I haven't interested 344 00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:46,110 in trying to get more scientists in 345 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:50,940 activated into UFOs yes obviously we got 346 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:52,650 a good beginning with as we were talking 347 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:54,000 about stats of Freedman 348 00:18:59,780 --> 00:18:56,730 because he was a nuclear physicist was a 349 00:19:04,730 --> 00:18:59,790 nice and I don't think he ever saw a UFO 350 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:04,740 but yes you did believe in them I don't 351 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:06,330 know I don't believe in them what I 352 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:10,410 think is that I mean I don't view them 353 00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:12,810 as a religion as something to believe it 354 00:19:22,850 --> 00:19:15,990 I see the information as data that put 355 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:22,860 in scientific studies believe it is 356 00:19:32,570 --> 00:19:28,020 something without seeing it yeah how do 357 00:19:34,550 --> 00:19:32,580 you feel about the Condon report I think 358 00:19:36,490 --> 00:19:34,560 the data in it was good but I think 359 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:36,500 their conclusions were ridiculous 360 00:19:43,340 --> 00:19:40,410 because they had perfectly good 361 00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:43,350 researchers that did perfectly good 362 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:46,440 research and it's in there but then when 363 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:47,970 they wrote the summary they said there's 364 00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:50,820 nothing to it well that a lot of the 365 00:19:59,090 --> 00:19:53,940 researchers disagree with that and can't 366 00:20:01,880 --> 00:19:59,100 like it Condon said something about he 367 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:01,890 said if she's discouraged any interest 368 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:05,310 in children of UFOs well if there's very 369 00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:07,530 few of us why would you discourage their 370 00:20:14,930 --> 00:20:12,720 interest in them and a lot of those the 371 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:14,940 he said they were no threat to national 372 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:20,010 security and that apparently the people 373 00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:21,570 interpret that doesn't mean there's no 374 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:25,020 UFOs well those are two different things 375 00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:30,210 and if you don't know anything about 376 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:31,980 UFOs you don't know whether they're 377 00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:34,170 threat to national security at all and 378 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:39,360 that's why what the new the ATF program 379 00:20:46,190 --> 00:20:44,400 was about was to look for whether they 380 00:20:46,790 --> 00:20:46,200 were dangerous or trying to find out 381 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:46,800 about him 382 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:49,650 you get this yeah and how'd you feel 383 00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:52,650 about the majestic 12 documents Oh in 384 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:54,180 Stenson was very much involved with that 385 00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:57,930 wasn't he do you believe they were real 386 00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:00,960 or were there some dummies flow thrown 387 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:04,760 in there sir confused issues and I 388 00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:10,080 thought they were there was no proof 389 00:21:18,770 --> 00:21:13,350 whatsoever that anything about that was 390 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:18,780 real and you think you might get some 391 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:20,730 little grip on something it shows 392 00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:22,530 they're real I worked for a government 393 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:25,620 and I saw lots of classified documents 394 00:21:38,530 --> 00:21:29,220 but I just didn't view them as real and 395 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:38,540 I also had interviewed somebody that was 396 00:21:44,410 --> 00:21:41,070 closer to that his name was Robert 397 00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:44,420 Collins and he worked with Richard Doty 398 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:46,950 Richard Doty is a famous disinformation 399 00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:52,320 person and we interviewed Robert Collins 400 00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,440 who was on I think it was it was a 1987 401 00:22:02,150 --> 00:21:59,760 TV show 402 00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:02,160 UFOs live or something I think the name 403 00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:04,620 of because where they first mentioned 404 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:08,580 area 51 and Collins and Doty were 405 00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:11,850 dressed up in profile of government 406 00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:15,480 informants and all that which is where 407 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:19,020 some of that began and he told me that 408 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:22,170 with a with a disinformation the 409 00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:23,820 government gives out there's also 410 00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:26,670 information and so you have to be 411 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:29,340 careful what you look at and sort it out 412 00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:32,910 and that although sometimes seems like 413 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:34,740 really bad disinformation well some of 414 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:39,570 it might be right yeah well that's our 415 00:22:48,620 --> 00:22:46,410 full team feelings it was done back 416 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:48,630 Battelle Memorial Institute and that's 417 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:52,650 what I had a lot of documents from in my 418 00:23:00,530 --> 00:22:58,410 book it's a very good study the TV and 419 00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:00,540 the media 420 00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:01,950 show dr. Hynek going around 421 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:04,350 investigating UFOs and talking at people 422 00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:06,810 and things it doesn't say what they did 423 00:23:11,660 --> 00:23:08,160 with the information 424 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:11,670 what they did was is that Mattel wrote a 425 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:14,690 very good question they're using 426 00:23:18,650 --> 00:23:16,830 professional psychologists and things 427 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:18,660 where they could get real discrete 428 00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:23,250 information on UFO sightings like what 429 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:24,900 color are they how many did you see it 430 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:26,490 once how long did you watch it and 431 00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:29,010 things like that they put all that 432 00:23:37,670 --> 00:23:33,360 information into a computer and analyzed 433 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:37,680 it and then compared UFOs that are never 434 00:23:42,860 --> 00:23:39,630 identified with ones that are identified 435 00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:42,870 later so that they had a control group 436 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:47,700 and their results were that there was 437 00:23:58,300 --> 00:23:50,130 less than one chance out of a billion 438 00:24:01,580 --> 00:23:58,310 that UFOs are prosaic objects by this 439 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:01,590 statistics it said quite strongly that 440 00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:05,190 UFOs are real but they buried that again 441 00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,030 in like some reason said they didn't 442 00:24:13,550 --> 00:24:11,520 find anything and all that like they did 443 00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:13,560 with the content and just obscured it so 444 00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:17,940 that most people in statistics and so 445 00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:19,380 they wouldn't be able to interpret what 446 00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:22,980 the data was but the actual data showed 447 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:24,750 very strongly that there's something to 448 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:29,520 UFOs hmm about the advanced metal alloys 449 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,410 that were the film from the Roswell 450 00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:33,840 have you seen any evidence that some of 451 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:38,340 those may have been real or what I found 452 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:41,370 was is that when they did that study 453 00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:43,770 would tell it was like classified and 454 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:46,380 everything and it was supposed to take 455 00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:55,340 psychologists and people like that to 456 00:25:00,440 --> 00:24:57,000 design a questionnaire and then do the 457 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:00,450 statistics but what they action the 458 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,210 people that actually worked on it were 459 00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,480 metallurgist and that immediately makes 460 00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:08,760 you wonder why they would have 461 00:25:14,299 --> 00:25:11,880 metallurgist when the study had nothing 462 00:25:17,629 --> 00:25:14,309 to do with the field of metallurgy so 463 00:25:20,509 --> 00:25:17,639 people at Mattel had always wondered why 464 00:25:23,539 --> 00:25:20,519 whether they sent some metal along too 465 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:23,549 and there had never been any proof or 466 00:25:31,159 --> 00:25:26,849 anything well I had interviewed I'd 467 00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:31,169 talked to this man that talk that knew 468 00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:33,299 one of the scientists that worked that 469 00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:36,479 was working at Mattel at the time but 470 00:25:47,869 --> 00:25:42,059 who was a metallurgist and he told the 471 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:47,879 man that that he was working on a sample 472 00:25:55,579 --> 00:25:54,960 of metal that came from Roswell New 473 00:25:59,389 --> 00:25:55,589 Mexico 474 00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,399 at that time around 1947 and he said 475 00:26:04,899 --> 00:26:02,159 that was extraterrestrial and he said 476 00:26:06,889 --> 00:26:04,909 there's a lot more that he can't tell 477 00:26:09,169 --> 00:26:06,899 but it would have been highly classified 478 00:26:11,749 --> 00:26:09,179 then but he had the security clearances 479 00:26:13,369 --> 00:26:11,759 to know about it I mean he was pretty 480 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:13,379 high and had a lot of scientific 481 00:26:26,329 --> 00:26:17,570 expertise and so I published that about 482 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:26,339 1994 and about when witness to Roswell 483 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:30,080 by carrion Schmitt came out they 484 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,129 republished that information and it was 485 00:26:39,099 --> 00:26:37,440 pretty interesting and it was on all 486 00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:39,109 over the internet for quite a few years 487 00:26:44,299 --> 00:26:41,940 that this might be memory metal and 488 00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:44,309 there might be some form of at least 489 00:26:51,499 --> 00:26:47,820 informant information that maybe metal 490 00:26:54,229 --> 00:26:51,509 was analyzed from possibly the Roswell 491 00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:54,239 crash or some something from out west 492 00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:55,559 there hmm 493 00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,779 I had done all submit on the show before 494 00:27:01,969 --> 00:26:59,700 last I think it was yeah 495 00:27:04,129 --> 00:27:01,979 along with yes and I carefully Mardon on 496 00:27:07,099 --> 00:27:04,139 the show before that it's kind of a 497 00:27:10,219 --> 00:27:07,109 tribute to Stanton but he mentioned a 498 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:10,229 bit of it yeah it's not very fascinating 499 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:14,700 I must say so how do you think we're 500 00:27:19,459 --> 00:27:16,529 going towards disclosure now I know 501 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:19,469 you've mentioned it little bit of before 502 00:27:22,999 --> 00:27:21,690 but I don't know if you feel we're 503 00:27:25,249 --> 00:27:23,009 actually heading towards the actual 504 00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:25,259 disclosure it's one day the president 505 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:26,520 going to sit down and 506 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:30,330 tells us everything oh no I might ask it 507 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:33,840 myself but I think interviewing the 508 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:36,950 president and having him not say that 509 00:27:43,570 --> 00:27:41,130 UFOs are fake and answer in serious ways 510 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:43,580 that just happened just this morning is 511 00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:46,290 progress on that it's quite a bit of 512 00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:52,559 progress and the disclosure such as the 513 00:28:07,960 --> 00:27:56,340 a cap program in Harry Reid and Bigelow 514 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:07,970 and Alf I can't pronounce the rest 515 00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:11,880 that's going a long ways toward making 516 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:14,550 people take it seriously and also all 517 00:28:19,930 --> 00:28:17,610 the jet pilots that actually came 518 00:28:25,910 --> 00:28:19,940 forward and talked about it and the 519 00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:25,920 people on the principal and Nimitz 520 00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:27,260 [Music] 521 00:28:32,299 --> 00:28:31,020 carriers and jet pilots and everything 522 00:28:36,290 --> 00:28:32,309 else is pretty amazing 523 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:36,300 hmm I think it has a lot of credibility 524 00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:38,370 and people are taking things more 525 00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,320 seriously just from that yes if anyone's 526 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:45,480 just joined us yeah you're listening to 527 00:28:49,790 --> 00:28:47,610 the paranormal UK radio network this is 528 00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:49,800 paranormal dimensions on David Young and 529 00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:52,470 I'm talking to dr. Irena Scott and we 530 00:28:59,770 --> 00:28:56,760 were having a interesting show about her 531 00:29:02,419 --> 00:28:59,780 new book called sacred corridors which 532 00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,429 I'll be putting on this I've got a 533 00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:04,860 paranormal dimension site on Facebook if 534 00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:07,500 anyone would like to visit and I'll 535 00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:15,630 certainly be putting I'll be putting 536 00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:17,700 them pictures of the book with it and 537 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:19,980 that's what and showing where you can 538 00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:22,110 get it but it's a fascinating book from 539 00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:26,340 what I can tell so far about a quarter 540 00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:31,830 inch what's your feelings on alien 541 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:37,020 abductions arena or have you got no 542 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:38,290 opinions 543 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:41,410 I don't know I've talked to people that 544 00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:45,610 say they cut the aliens all the time and 545 00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:49,600 things like that and the thing is you 546 00:30:09,870 --> 00:29:55,420 can't exactly prove it obviously there's 547 00:30:16,110 --> 00:30:09,880 a famous one with Kathie Martin's what's 548 00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:16,120 your feelings on that this was the first 549 00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:20,500 American one that hit the news they 550 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:22,780 didn't remember an abduction until they 551 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:26,290 were hypnotized I talked to I've talked 552 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:29,380 it Cathleen Martin helped me a whole lot 553 00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:32,410 on one of my books I wrote one of my 554 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:34,900 books is about my own experience with 555 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:39,510 UFOs and some of that happened in 556 00:30:46,340 --> 00:30:42,570 Massachusetts not too far from the Hill 557 00:30:52,290 --> 00:30:46,350 event and she helped me a whole lot 558 00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:52,300 writing up my book and also I've talked 559 00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:55,030 to Phyllis Budinger who's a scientist 560 00:31:02,280 --> 00:30:59,080 and he analyzed Betty Hill kept the 561 00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:02,290 dress that she was wearing during her 562 00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:07,590 abduction and feels Bettinger 563 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:12,220 analyzed with scientific instruments and 564 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:17,170 said that where the where Betty reported 565 00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:19,450 she was touched by the aliens 566 00:31:24,270 --> 00:31:21,580 that there were pink spots on her blue 567 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:24,280 dress and if he's had more protein so 568 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:26,110 there was some kind of evidence that 569 00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,840 something went on also there were 570 00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:34,720 elements of there were a number of 571 00:31:45,050 --> 00:31:43,020 elements of that that were similar to 572 00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:45,060 experience my sister and I had 573 00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:48,220 Massachusetts that I had talked about 574 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:51,100 quite a bit in my book and elsewhere 575 00:31:58,049 --> 00:31:55,090 so I don't I just don't know because you 576 00:32:00,480 --> 00:31:58,059 can't prove it and a lot of people 577 00:32:04,049 --> 00:32:00,490 remember it under hypnosis although some 578 00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:04,059 people say oh they they remember do it I 579 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:09,059 have I'm kind of wondering sometimes 580 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:12,809 whether they can affect your mind and 581 00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:15,250 make you think there's an abduction I 582 00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:17,950 mean it's not a metal thing where people 583 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:20,200 go crazy it's a metal thing or maybe the 584 00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:23,289 UFOs themselves can affect the person's 585 00:32:33,899 --> 00:32:27,700 mind some way - so I don't know it I 586 00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:33,909 mean I just don't know other things and 587 00:32:40,649 --> 00:32:37,929 they're they'll curse else casella's 588 00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,659 Rocha on a couple of shows back as well 589 00:32:50,909 --> 00:32:42,899 she was she gave a very each I think 590 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:50,919 actually the same print same printer but 591 00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:58,210 so abductions and different things that 592 00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:01,720 sir that she's been involved in but yeah 593 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:09,820 be interesting about portals with UFOs 594 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:13,870 sometimes and like dimensional incidents 595 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:16,120 how do you feel about that have you seen 596 00:33:28,379 --> 00:33:21,330 any sort of evidence of anything 597 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:28,389 what well suppose they say that some 598 00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,610 areas are window areas of portal areas 599 00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:33,039 where there's more UFO activity than at 600 00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:36,070 other places and maybe that's so but at 601 00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:38,470 times I kind of wonder if maybe there's 602 00:33:43,409 --> 00:33:41,409 more publicity or more ability to report 603 00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:43,419 things in different areas I mean for 604 00:33:47,249 --> 00:33:45,070 example in United States there's a lot 605 00:33:49,409 --> 00:33:47,259 more reports I mean but then in other 606 00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,419 countries but we also have a lot more 607 00:33:56,009 --> 00:33:52,000 people and we also have the Internet and 608 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:56,019 people to report to which isn't true in 609 00:34:00,490 --> 00:33:58,210 a lot of places so you don't know 610 00:34:07,139 --> 00:34:00,500 exactly 611 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:07,149 what it is about but dimensionally I 612 00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:11,210 think I think that's a possible good 613 00:34:19,629 --> 00:34:16,879 explanation that humans may be sort of 614 00:34:21,099 --> 00:34:19,639 primitive and not taking in all of our 615 00:34:23,649 --> 00:34:21,109 environment and there may be a lot of 616 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,659 other things like the quantum theory and 617 00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,280 dimensions and everything else that 618 00:34:31,210 --> 00:34:28,639 we're just not don't understand in our 619 00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:31,220 environment that that may have to do 620 00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,710 with UFOs mmm the of course strong 621 00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:35,599 belief in there I don't think all ufos 622 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:37,310 or extraterrestrial I think some are 623 00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:40,129 actually interdimensional you know and I 624 00:34:46,060 --> 00:34:44,179 think it can actually explain ghosts as 625 00:34:48,909 --> 00:34:46,070 well you know I think sometimes we may 626 00:34:50,859 --> 00:34:48,919 be seeing a ghost bits where maybe an 627 00:34:52,990 --> 00:34:50,869 alien tour may be seen an alien which 628 00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,000 may be a ghost and I think I think a lot 629 00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,280 of that kind of blows into one another 630 00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,400 only sending my own theory and idea but 631 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:01,280 a few years ago I wouldn't have thought 632 00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:03,650 that but so I've seen so much over the 633 00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,270 last few years so I really do think is 634 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:07,359 good there's a big connection with it 635 00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,730 well I think so too because in either 636 00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:13,119 way I mean like if you see around 637 00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:16,190 spirits floating through the air what 638 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:18,920 could be a ghost it could be a UFO it 639 00:35:26,349 --> 00:35:23,089 could be a norm and you just depend on 640 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:26,359 your culture on how you define it hmm so 641 00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:28,790 I think they could blend into each other 642 00:35:34,540 --> 00:35:32,599 and a lot of times the some of the 643 00:35:38,260 --> 00:35:34,550 studies by kathleen martin it said that 644 00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:38,270 people that have Close Encounters or 645 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:41,270 abductions often have poltergeist 646 00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:44,510 experiences later well maybe those are 647 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:47,390 two components are the same thing hmm 648 00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:49,970 yeah effects up won't be same again some 649 00:36:02,170 --> 00:35:59,839 strange noise he's coming up here how do 650 00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:02,180 you feel about the ancient alien theory 651 00:36:07,329 --> 00:36:05,780 but the ancient you know like the Sphinx 652 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:07,339 and the pyramids and everything maybe 653 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:10,630 have been built by aliens 654 00:36:14,299 --> 00:36:12,830 well should we have a lot of confidence 655 00:36:19,779 --> 00:36:14,309 that people are smartness and 656 00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:19,789 that but I think the idea of your hoses 657 00:36:28,549 --> 00:36:24,079 craft from other planets came in about 658 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:28,559 1947 with the idea that we might go into 659 00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:30,930 space and send rockets and all that up 660 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,579 in the space but I think the basic 661 00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:38,880 format of things that are like UFO 662 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:40,529 sightings have been going on for a very 663 00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:45,119 long time and obviously lots of rumors 664 00:36:50,359 --> 00:36:47,369 and things like that but some of them 665 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:50,369 probably weren't and even abductions and 666 00:36:54,499 --> 00:36:52,170 things that might have been happening 667 00:36:56,839 --> 00:36:54,509 all through history but it wasn't 668 00:37:00,620 --> 00:36:56,849 explained culturally the same way it is 669 00:37:05,509 --> 00:37:00,630 now I mean if you knit the space flight 670 00:37:07,489 --> 00:37:05,519 or et or anything and you were way way 671 00:37:09,049 --> 00:37:07,499 back thousands of years ago and didn't 672 00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:09,059 know what the Stars were you would 673 00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:10,859 interpret is religion or something 674 00:37:15,769 --> 00:37:13,680 whereas now we'd say oh maybe this is a 675 00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:15,779 craft from space but it might be the 676 00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:18,359 same sighting of the same thing and just 677 00:37:27,949 --> 00:37:26,019 find it strange that there's there's 678 00:37:29,689 --> 00:37:27,959 different cultures throughout the world 679 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,699 who didn't know each other exist he'd 680 00:37:34,309 --> 00:37:32,160 presumably and they had kind of the same 681 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:34,319 beliefs but strangers from the skies and 682 00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:36,410 they'd be holding the same types of 683 00:37:45,049 --> 00:37:38,849 implements and earrings and things like 684 00:37:48,019 --> 00:37:45,059 that I find that very strange yeah and 685 00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:48,029 also this is Atlantis this there's big 686 00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:51,079 connections there isn't there with 687 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:53,670 ancient the ancient astronaut theory so 688 00:37:57,169 --> 00:37:55,170 it's quite a big connection event and 689 00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:57,179 lentes I don't know if you would you 690 00:38:02,959 --> 00:37:58,920 believe that there was such a place as 691 00:38:07,309 --> 00:38:02,969 Atlantis that's all well it's a story 692 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:07,319 that came I think it was an oral story 693 00:38:14,529 --> 00:38:08,910 to start with and then people wrote it 694 00:38:20,359 --> 00:38:14,539 down so you don't know know that but 695 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:20,369 they're welcoming I mean maybe the place 696 00:38:26,329 --> 00:38:22,890 was pretty advanced and people saw it 697 00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:26,339 and it entered their mythology and got 698 00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:27,310 turned around 699 00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:31,420 then somebody wrote it down so you just 700 00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:33,160 don't know but I'm I think there were 701 00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:36,760 probably places in the ancient world 702 00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,240 that were pre advanced you never came 703 00:38:47,340 --> 00:38:43,680 across anything substantial within your 704 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:47,350 studies over the years no I just read 705 00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:49,840 about the ancient and seeing it on TV 706 00:39:00,120 --> 00:38:55,990 but I um so far as where I am in the 707 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:00,130 United States some evidence is that in a 708 00:39:09,090 --> 00:39:03,250 lot of Indian mounds here they find 709 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:09,100 meteorites which suggested that the 710 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:13,510 Indians had some idea of what meteorites 711 00:39:19,170 --> 00:39:15,490 were that they're something falling in 712 00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:19,180 the sky also the lots of people see me 713 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:22,600 your rights and so people may tie that 714 00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:25,290 in with the idea of visits from 715 00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:27,720 extraterrestrials or maybe 716 00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:29,800 extraterrestrials land and talk to 717 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:33,400 people it's hard to say I mean I don't 718 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:35,770 want to you know jump in anything where 719 00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,910 there's no evidence but you can have 720 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:41,680 your beliefs or thoughts on it 721 00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:47,490 obviously that's all free and some 722 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:49,870 implants and things we hear these 723 00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:51,700 stories about people being abducted and 724 00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:53,830 having implants fitted there's been some 725 00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:56,380 evidence that people who have these 726 00:40:01,410 --> 00:39:58,930 implants and they get removed by dr. 727 00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:01,420 Leir etcetera how do you feel about that 728 00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,310 I think they ought to be a lot be real 729 00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:08,800 transparent and have send the implants 730 00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:12,100 to a group of different scientists be 731 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:13,990 transparent about the science studying 732 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:17,860 them and collect all the data and 733 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:21,250 publish it and not you know not doing an 734 00:40:26,580 --> 00:40:24,570 internal review but send it out to 735 00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:26,590 scientists if you can find any that 736 00:40:34,860 --> 00:40:31,480 would do it and get the results and see 737 00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:34,870 and compare what one scientist does 738 00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:38,980 compared to something else and not tell 739 00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:41,080 him that it's an implant just 740 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:45,460 please analyze this yeah but you have 741 00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:47,650 not seen anything within your own 742 00:41:02,930 --> 00:40:59,980 studies to pack it out no but I have you 743 00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:02,940 heard that we hear about different 744 00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:05,080 civilizations of different aliens like 745 00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:08,320 reptilians and greys and etc have you 746 00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:11,950 ever seen any evidence of any of that in 747 00:41:20,090 --> 00:41:14,520 your study said that you've gone along 748 00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:20,100 well what I've seen evidence is 749 00:41:25,470 --> 00:41:23,800 shape-shifting that things can take 750 00:41:29,330 --> 00:41:25,480 different shapes and different 751 00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:29,340 appearances for example there was one 752 00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:35,830 observation by several people where they 753 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:41,470 saw a UFO and one person saw orbs but 754 00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:43,570 another person look it's same thing so 755 00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,060 beings and then there's examples if 756 00:41:56,670 --> 00:41:52,000 we're a bunch of orbs or small orbs 757 00:41:59,700 --> 00:41:56,680 we'll go together and form something 758 00:42:03,240 --> 00:41:59,710 that looks like a humanoid and that sort 759 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:03,250 of thing we're and for people looking at 760 00:42:08,490 --> 00:42:04,360 the same thing you'll see something 761 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:08,500 different or somebody will see UFO and 762 00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,930 then back up a step and not see the UFO 763 00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:12,960 and go forward that will see the UFO 764 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:16,420 there's a lot of that which makes you 765 00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:19,690 think that it makes me think maybe that 766 00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:24,700 there's some laser activity involved or 767 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:26,200 something like that where you can change 768 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:30,690 your laser and show a different image I 769 00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:34,390 don't know if you should take each if 770 00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:37,270 somebody's a reptilian if you should 771 00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:39,160 take that totally seriously because 772 00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:41,590 somebody may be giving you an image so I 773 00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:44,860 just don't know we're supposed to build 774 00:42:48,590 --> 00:42:46,780 a different vibration plane not there I 775 00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:48,600 think the rip ten years that do do to 776 00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:50,740 shape-shifting from from what I gather 777 00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,750 anyway I've never seen one I haven't got 778 00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:54,400 the ability to see any 779 00:42:59,640 --> 00:42:57,100 but I have heard of I do know a few 780 00:43:05,580 --> 00:42:59,650 people they have had the ability to see 781 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:05,590 these reptilians sort of using other 782 00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:07,090 people's bodies and they seem too 783 00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:08,980 controlled and why don't they are with 784 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:11,080 us and these people will seem believable 785 00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:14,260 as well you know you've only got to 786 00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:20,200 accept what they say yeah yeah no I 787 00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:22,630 haven't I guess I've talked to people 788 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:26,200 but I've never delved into it in a lot 789 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:30,010 of detail I mean there's something 790 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:32,530 between 15 to like a hundred or so 791 00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:34,770 different species visiting this planet 792 00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:36,940 you can take that with a pinch of salt 793 00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:38,440 really I suppose some people out there 794 00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:42,160 but I I think there's at least that 795 00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:43,870 there's certainly a few visiting this 796 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:46,480 planet that we don't you know that we we 797 00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:48,430 may know about or some don't know about 798 00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:51,190 but and I think believe do you believe 799 00:43:57,450 --> 00:43:55,180 the government's do know about it why 800 00:44:05,150 --> 00:43:57,460 work for the DIA the definites 801 00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:05,160 Intelligence Agency and back in 1968 my 802 00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:08,140 supervisor in a section called 803 00:44:15,810 --> 00:44:13,720 err order battle and our what we were 804 00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:15,820 supposed to do is identify all the 805 00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:18,880 aircraft over particular area this is 806 00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:21,460 with satellite photography and my 807 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:24,910 supervisors turn in a UFO report which 808 00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,070 you know we were inside the government 809 00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:29,920 we were civilians on the outside and we 810 00:44:35,820 --> 00:44:31,750 were supposed to be the top authorities 811 00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:35,830 for this area it was on two missions a 812 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:37,750 mission is where the satellite goes 813 00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:42,250 around the earth in 90 minutes and it 814 00:44:45,810 --> 00:44:44,200 looked the same pretty much the same on 815 00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:45,820 both things accepted Lou : 816 00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:48,660 well my supervisors turned it in as a 817 00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:52,120 UFO and they were just thoroughly 818 00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:56,110 debunked by the higher-ups which made no 819 00:45:01,260 --> 00:44:58,810 sense at all because the higher-ups said 820 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:01,270 there was a flaw in the film what could 821 00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:04,090 possibly be a fall on defense yes it was 822 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:07,660 two different totally different pictures 823 00:45:13,289 --> 00:45:11,530 and so I always wondered you know from 824 00:45:15,299 --> 00:45:13,299 way back then if the Defense 825 00:45:18,029 --> 00:45:15,309 Intelligence Agency was covering things 826 00:45:22,799 --> 00:45:18,039 up and I imagine they have much better 827 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:22,809 photography now so that probably live 828 00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:26,530 video in a lot of detail where they can 829 00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:31,000 follow UFOs and so I think they would 830 00:45:38,279 --> 00:45:33,750 probably have a lot of information and 831 00:45:41,069 --> 00:45:38,289 the DIA is one of the main agencies it's 832 00:45:46,650 --> 00:45:41,079 under discussion now in regard to a tip 833 00:45:48,809 --> 00:45:46,660 and everything yeah did you you've heard 834 00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:48,819 about Hopkins no doubt did you ever have 835 00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:51,940 anything to do with him you know my 836 00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:55,000 sister and I had as several sightings 837 00:46:03,240 --> 00:45:57,640 together and he interviewed both of us 838 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:03,250 and my sister's family and thought I was 839 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:07,930 abducted but anyway so yeah I've 840 00:46:13,950 --> 00:46:11,410 interviewed him on other things too so 841 00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:13,960 we he was a pretty good researcher it's 842 00:46:20,539 --> 00:46:17,049 a shame you so do you you don't think 843 00:46:23,069 --> 00:46:20,549 you were abducted then oh I don't know 844 00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:23,079 because he tried hypnotizing me and I 845 00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:25,240 just didn't have the place at all so it 846 00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:27,369 didn't work we had a sighting where we 847 00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:31,359 might have had missing time maybe two 848 00:46:40,799 --> 00:46:37,089 sightings together and yes for time 849 00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:40,809 table and things like that and I made it 850 00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:43,900 and it's possible I think we may have 851 00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:45,940 had missing time but neither of us 852 00:46:51,539 --> 00:46:49,089 remember an abduction and I don't 853 00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:51,549 hypnotize at all and my sister thinks 854 00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,260 hypnosis is we're not getting a place on 855 00:46:59,940 --> 00:46:58,480 that yeah I think I'll be the same 856 00:47:03,660 --> 00:46:59,950 actually I don't think God could be put 857 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:03,670 under either I had almost third show I 858 00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:05,410 had Peter Robinson I don't know if 859 00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:08,099 you've ever run into him in your travels 860 00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:10,630 but he was a good friend of but hopping 861 00:47:18,809 --> 00:47:16,720 but Hopkins and it's just so saved he 862 00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:18,819 was a good friend about Hopkins and he 863 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:21,540 they said the so much respect for him 864 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:24,570 so it like you say it's a shame we 865 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:27,290 haven't got to him around either as well 866 00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:35,960 interviewing once I he talked about in 867 00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:37,880 several of these books he talked about 868 00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,340 breeding between humans and aliens and 869 00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:44,160 so I had a I have a YouTube by 870 00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:49,440 interviewing asking about how humans 871 00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:52,140 could breed with aliens and I think he 872 00:48:02,990 --> 00:47:54,990 said you know that they can affect the 873 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:03,000 DA in any some way heartbeats yeah we 874 00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:06,450 had a very famous case in 1980 we've the 875 00:48:14,590 --> 00:48:10,800 Rendlesham UFO incident what what's your 876 00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,600 own understandings or beliefs in there 877 00:48:25,210 --> 00:48:16,560 well some of the people seem very 878 00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,220 sincere about what they saw and so I 879 00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:27,660 just don't know it's pretty confusing 880 00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:30,710 but I guess it was near a military 881 00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,430 United States military base and well 882 00:48:43,310 --> 00:48:40,800 some of the people just seemed totally 883 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:43,320 sincere and said this is what I saw 884 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,210 yeah and I reasoned down yeah well you 885 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:50,400 might know but Colonel Holt is a friend 886 00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:54,090 of mine he's actually stayed here in my 887 00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:57,540 house obviously I'm actually doing a 888 00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,980 conference for him this year in 889 00:49:03,490 --> 00:49:00,960 September back at Woodbridge because I 890 00:49:05,810 --> 00:49:03,500 live fairly near Rendlesham woods 891 00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:05,820 obviously where he was based year and 892 00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:07,980 Bentwaters and everything I wasn't here 893 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:10,560 at the time I said living you know in 894 00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:12,930 London but so only six years ago I meant 895 00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:16,710 I moved to this area and strangely 896 00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,630 enough as fate would have it I would 897 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:20,160 have it he's actually become a good 898 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:23,250 friend of mine so which is pretty weird 899 00:49:30,430 --> 00:49:25,410 I mean he lives in Virginia so if you've 900 00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,440 ever bumped into him he's a ways 901 00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:32,720 of the Amanar - you know I believe just 902 00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,270 about everything he says even he's good 903 00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:36,800 bit confused about what happened back 904 00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:42,380 then but I do believe he's basic story 905 00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:46,280 is true obviously I think he would may 906 00:49:51,609 --> 00:49:48,440 at the time I've got a feeling he may 907 00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,619 well have been covering up freeze men 908 00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:54,079 under him to protect them from the 909 00:50:01,150 --> 00:49:59,359 exposure to the media and everything but 910 00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:01,160 yeah there's still a lot going on about 911 00:50:04,359 --> 00:50:03,020 that actually because he's got you 912 00:50:07,809 --> 00:50:04,369 second he's got your second book coming 913 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:07,819 out this year which is wrong which is 914 00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:14,210 writing with John Henson but it's an 915 00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,710 interesting story I just wonder what 916 00:50:20,050 --> 00:50:18,079 your feelings on you know what you might 917 00:50:22,540 --> 00:50:20,060 have known about it I'm actually trying 918 00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:22,550 to get Jim Penniston to have been Jim 919 00:50:28,839 --> 00:50:26,510 Penniston on the show sometime in the 920 00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:28,849 next well probably next six weeks or so 921 00:50:33,730 --> 00:50:31,880 to get so he's very busy but he's they 922 00:50:35,260 --> 00:50:33,740 say yes say that you would come on so 923 00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,270 we'll see where we go from there cuz 924 00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:37,280 he's got a book coming out shortly - all 925 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:41,560 about the unique book code the code 926 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:46,010 that's he got off of the UFO so we'll 927 00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:48,650 see where that goes but I just wonder 928 00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:50,060 what your thoughts were on it that's all 929 00:50:54,130 --> 00:50:52,609 it's it's quite a fascinating case that 930 00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:54,140 doesn't seem to go away here because 931 00:50:59,980 --> 00:50:55,940 it's a lot coming up to 40 years ago now 932 00:51:03,730 --> 00:50:59,990 and it's still very much in the psyche 933 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:03,740 of the ufology that's one of the top 934 00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:08,690 ones and our witnesses and people coming 935 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:11,030 forth and talking about yeah there's 936 00:51:15,790 --> 00:51:12,650 been one particular case has been very 937 00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,800 much debunked because the the obviously 938 00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,440 Peter Roberts was involved in that 939 00:51:24,730 --> 00:51:20,000 unfortunately the book after Eastgate 940 00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:24,740 was removed from sell because of proven 941 00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:27,740 lies that were in it that was anything 942 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:29,630 really through Peter I think he's his 943 00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:33,410 side of it was all pretty well 944 00:51:38,410 --> 00:51:35,240 researched that you know for the history 945 00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,420 of the actual event itself I think it 946 00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:39,920 was his lies he was told by his 947 00:51:43,930 --> 00:51:41,270 co-writer 948 00:51:48,970 --> 00:51:43,940 you know and he actually did a very 949 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:48,980 public disassociation with him but but 950 00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,330 that's still bubbling around there's 951 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:51,680 still things going on with that but 952 00:52:00,580 --> 00:51:54,050 which will wait to see how that's going 953 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:00,590 to develop but that's all very 954 00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:05,090 fascinating interesting stuff this is 955 00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:06,830 some sort of a primary factor that keeps 956 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:10,400 you keep driving new in your research 957 00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:15,310 and investigations the primary factor is 958 00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:19,580 my own observations which you know if 959 00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:22,580 you read somebody else's story we say in 960 00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:24,740 no matter if they're the most honest 961 00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:26,260 person the world you never know for sure 962 00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:30,110 but I mean nobody has to believe me but 963 00:52:35,950 --> 00:52:32,660 I believe myself and my sister and I had 964 00:52:38,140 --> 00:52:35,960 observations together where we compared 965 00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:38,150 notes what was going on and things like 966 00:52:45,490 --> 00:52:43,310 that and so I think there's something to 967 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:45,500 it plus my sister and I almost got 968 00:52:54,490 --> 00:52:50,690 killed during a experience well it was 969 00:52:57,540 --> 00:52:54,500 pretty nerve-wracking it's something 970 00:53:00,250 --> 00:52:57,550 I'll always remember and have for a 971 00:53:00,970 --> 00:53:00,260 motivation because I worried it might 972 00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:00,980 happen again 973 00:53:06,780 --> 00:53:04,910 so anyway I'm pretty motivated to try to 974 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:06,790 figure out what's going on I'm glad it's 975 00:53:14,609 --> 00:53:10,570 being more accepted more accepted now 976 00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:14,619 what happened how did you Nica killed 977 00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:18,440 it's a real long story we go about five 978 00:53:24,609 --> 00:53:22,550 minutes yeah well we had this experience 979 00:53:27,940 --> 00:53:24,619 together up in Massachusetts where we 980 00:53:29,950 --> 00:53:27,950 saw this very close object and while we 981 00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:29,960 were watching it and I was trying to 982 00:53:36,310 --> 00:53:32,720 take a picture took I was stuck we were 983 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:36,320 on a Maine free freeway and he acted 984 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:40,010 real funny yet cuz what we were saying 985 00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,930 when it was right in front of him and 986 00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:44,480 turned in the opposite directions I see 987 00:53:51,580 --> 00:53:48,070 anything then afterwards as we were 988 00:53:54,740 --> 00:53:51,590 driving away we wanted to turn that car 989 00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:54,750 around go back to where the UFO was well 990 00:53:59,840 --> 00:53:56,700 follow this and he followed us right 991 00:54:03,500 --> 00:53:59,850 down on my bumper in a truck Wow with 992 00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:03,510 his bright light shining into my mirror 993 00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:06,990 and I was blinded and I switched lanes 994 00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,240 and slow down speed it up and I couldn't 995 00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:12,480 get rid of him and he had already act 996 00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:13,800 we'd already talked to him thought he 997 00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:14,780 was crazy 998 00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,270 but we were talking to him right when we 999 00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:19,920 were having a close encounter with a UFO 1000 00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:22,470 and the other eye was still in sight 1001 00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:25,620 when he started chasing as well and so 1002 00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:27,990 the way I got rid of him was to go on 1003 00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:31,350 the left-hand lane and then swerve 1004 00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:35,940 across the right-hand lane and get off 1005 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:38,460 on an intersection and it was real 1006 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:40,050 dangerous because I didn't know whether 1007 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:43,770 he's gonna kill us chasing us and the 1008 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:46,230 way I got away from him was if somebody 1009 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:48,210 came up on the right-hand lane faster 1010 00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:49,650 we'd have been probably killed or 1011 00:54:55,460 --> 00:54:52,020 smashed and so it was very dangerous and 1012 00:54:58,580 --> 00:54:55,470 so anyway that happened right in the 1013 00:55:00,350 --> 00:54:58,590 middle of a close encounter Wow way some 1014 00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:00,360 people write a conspiracy and so that 1015 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:01,710 wouldn't know that I was trying to shut 1016 00:55:06,130 --> 00:55:03,330 you up or get you but yeah I've stopped 1017 00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,140 you from seeing what you were seen I 1018 00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:08,160 didn't say anything for a long time 1019 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:10,140 because I was working for the DIA with 1020 00:55:14,050 --> 00:55:11,850 one of the highest security clearances 1021 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:14,060 and I didn't go around saying I see UFOs 1022 00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:17,850 but you took real good notes on it and 1023 00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:20,910 eventually I reported it in detail in 1024 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:23,190 one of my books yeah it sounds a bit 1025 00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:25,410 love that old film with them who was it 1026 00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:27,120 Dennis Weaver and it was but it was a 1027 00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:29,430 truck chasing him all the time all the 1028 00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,750 way through coffee what it was called 1029 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:32,640 now but so it sounds a bit lower there 1030 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:34,290 yes so must have been terrifying I must 1031 00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:37,730 say it was I'm supposed to give a talk 1032 00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:41,430 about this year's MUFON symposium 1033 00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,520 meetings - hmm chief do you have do you 1034 00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:49,740 get a lot of criticism with with your I 1035 00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:51,360 mean you get people criticizing or 1036 00:55:59,650 --> 00:55:54,390 arguing with you in your symposiums or 1037 00:56:06,830 --> 00:55:59,660 whether not a whole lot because I try to 1038 00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:06,840 be scientific and not say I'm well I 1039 00:56:11,929 --> 00:56:08,549 believe in this or that or so 1040 00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,939 to try to say what the data is trying to 1041 00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,920 say you know there's ways to interpret 1042 00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:15,119 it and that sort of thing 1043 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:21,150 but I do get harassed yeah I think I 1044 00:56:23,749 --> 00:56:22,170 think it comes with the territory 1045 00:56:27,049 --> 00:56:23,759 doesn't it you're gonna get someone who 1046 00:56:34,279 --> 00:56:27,059 was to be clever and argue about what 1047 00:56:36,529 --> 00:56:34,289 you say but do you like best about what 1048 00:56:41,689 --> 00:56:36,539 you do is that some is it passing the 1049 00:56:46,749 --> 00:56:41,699 word on north what I like best is real 1050 00:56:49,699 --> 00:56:46,759 big research that is well done and shows 1051 00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:49,709 results and that such as the one study 1052 00:56:55,749 --> 00:56:51,630 done by Battelle Memorial Institute they 1053 00:56:59,919 --> 00:56:55,759 had top science study and they came to a 1054 00:57:02,269 --> 00:56:59,929 very valid conclusion that UFOs are 1055 00:57:06,439 --> 00:57:02,279 pretty much real and it was a scientific 1056 00:57:13,759 --> 00:57:06,449 study and I like good observations where 1057 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:13,769 somebody watches the UFO and reports in 1058 00:57:18,529 --> 00:57:16,170 a lot of detail about what they've seen 1059 00:57:20,329 --> 00:57:18,539 and what's going on yeah I think like me 1060 00:57:23,779 --> 00:57:20,339 you probably find that you meet lots of 1061 00:57:25,939 --> 00:57:23,789 nice people as well oh yeah yeah there's 1062 00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:25,949 quite a nice sum where you meet some 1063 00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:29,910 horrible ones as well one hope generally 1064 00:57:33,709 --> 00:57:31,319 you meet a lot of nice people and they 1065 00:57:37,729 --> 00:57:33,719 become quite so oh yeah I made that good 1066 00:57:40,429 --> 00:57:37,739 friends through this whole subject 1067 00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,439 really well I have two really nice 1068 00:57:44,449 --> 00:57:42,599 people you know I just value in 1069 00:57:45,769 --> 00:57:44,459 something I never meant I just met him 1070 00:57:48,739 --> 00:57:45,779 on the Internet but they're really 1071 00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,749 people and I'm just so glad I'm in yeah 1072 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:51,119 no waste like you I mean not now I 1073 00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:52,890 consider you a friend you put on my show 1074 00:57:58,459 --> 00:57:54,900 now be spoken and talk to them hopefully 1075 00:57:59,929 --> 00:57:58,469 we'll do it again in the future you 1076 00:58:00,469 --> 00:57:59,939 never know we may run into each other at 1077 00:58:03,919 --> 00:58:00,479 some point 1078 00:58:05,419 --> 00:58:03,929 that's certainly when the show goes out 1079 00:58:07,759 --> 00:58:05,429 I'll send you the links and everything 1080 00:58:10,339 --> 00:58:07,769 for it and it'll be a couple of weeks I 1081 00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:10,349 think before it goes out but so I hope 1082 00:58:14,419 --> 00:58:12,420 you've enjoyed they've been coming on 1083 00:58:16,939 --> 00:58:14,429 Irene and thank you very much for taking 1084 00:58:20,299 --> 00:58:16,949 time out of your life to come in and 1085 00:58:21,339 --> 00:58:20,309 speak to me and well thank you I was 1086 00:58:27,130 --> 00:58:21,349 very 1087 00:58:30,759 --> 00:58:27,140 no it's been it's been great and as I 1088 00:58:37,019 --> 00:58:30,769 say once again out there arenas book is 1089 00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:39,699 isn't defined this press isn't it it's 1090 00:58:46,959 --> 00:58:44,239 Philip mentals book princess it's 1091 00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:46,969 available Amazon and I will put I will 1092 00:58:54,370 --> 00:58:49,670 put it on the paranormal dimensions page 1093 00:58:55,989 --> 00:58:54,380 anyway and and hopefully will speak to 1094 00:59:00,400 --> 00:58:55,999 orient again and good luck in your 1095 00:59:03,729 --> 00:59:00,410 future endeavors arena and I hope you 1096 00:59:06,099 --> 00:59:03,739 carry on enjoying life and take care of 1097 00:59:06,670 --> 00:59:06,109 yourself in everything hope to get to 1098 00:59:09,609 --> 00:59:06,680 see you again 1099 00:59:13,479 --> 00:59:09,619 I wish the same thing for you and thank 1100 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:13,489 you very much and I hope you you're 1101 00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:15,410 everything with you goes very well - 1102 00:59:19,089 --> 00:59:17,420 well thank you very much yeah as I say I 1103 00:59:21,339 --> 00:59:19,099 will get say to the liquid the show goes 1104 00:59:22,839 --> 00:59:21,349 out and I'm for everyone's going to be 1105 00:59:25,509 --> 00:59:22,849 fascinated by a lot of what we've heard 1106 00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:25,519 today I hope so anyway I'm pretty sure 1107 00:59:32,229 --> 00:59:28,400 it will be anyway I'll say goodbye now 1108 00:59:35,620 --> 00:59:32,239 around arena and take care of yourself 1109 00:59:37,689 --> 00:59:35,630 and thank you again bye bye you too and 1110 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:37,699 thanks very much thanks everyone out 1111 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:52,480 [Music]